Andrew: You’re convinced we’re definitely going down, and fast. You’ve shut the door. Joanna Macy still holds that door open. She thinks we might make it through, though we very certainly may not. I pressed her on it. Was she just hedging her bets? No. And she’s designed her work to prepare us for both possibilities. I sum up her existential

My apocalyptic sense is very strong. I feel we have very little time. I rarely hear any people — except, say, Richard Heinberg — talk honestly about how fast our window is closing before all is lost. A lot of us really think it’s too late. So, how do you keep on going?