Sublime

Pieter Levels

Times that were really interesting? I think working with really great customers. It sort of sounds like a cliche, but to go and learn from Encyclopedia Britannica, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and try to learn how do they view their businesses and their lives was the most fun out of the whole experience.

Livingston: Did a lot of people not have resources to implement your ideas at the time, because the Web was still emerging? Greenspun: People used to say, "Why should we pay you guys $30,000 to $50,000 a month to do this thing, when we can just hire our own programmer?" What I would tell them is, "Each company has one class of stars.

Being everywhere all the time made us look bigger than we were; "Oh yeah, we'll be in New York, we'll be there." I'd say, "Jeff, I have all these things on my plate," and he always responded, "No, we're going." It was someone who had come from a big company who knew how to act like a big company, even though behind the

Life Beyond Legacy

Livingston: Can you remember anything else that surprised you? Kapor: Oh, almost everything. I didn't expect to find myself in this situation. I really didn't. Being successful surprised me enormously, shocked me, especially the magnitude of it. VisiPlot was a success and I had made some money, but I didn't understand how big the industry was going