Purely patronage, edification. When you start to get into the arts as individual expression or the beginnings of a commercial expression, you're really looking at after the French Revolution, like early 19th century, French salons began to have like competition to show your work for the first time.

There's a book, a great book I've been reading

He wrote this great essay in the 80s about this idea of what would it feel like to pop up in the hood of software and what would you see. And the reason he wanted people to do that was that he wanted people to, he says he wants people to be able to edit their tools the way they edit their documents. It's very directly this malleable software vision