And when you say vertical, you mean between the material realm and something more astral and spiritual? Yes. From there? And that's what comes out of the music. But I'm interested in where that begins. Because obviously it doesn't start with an orchestra. Where does it begin? Is it you at a piano with a guitar, with a voice note? Like, where do these ideas grow from? I think I been trying to wrap my head around the fact that I don know when it begins Oh there is no beginning I don think I can say when this started Because I think first of all because I studied music in a conservatorio de m that classical music was always around. When you would walk in the hallway, the corrido, como se dice, el pasillo. Yeah. You would always be listening to classical music. That would be there. And then I think that I've always had a desire of how can I get close to God? How can I get closer to God? That spiritual feeling has always been there. It's just that I haven't rationalized it or tried to intellectualize it, if that makes sense. It's been now the first time that I was like, OK, after Motomami, am I going to do another project? And what do I need to explore? what do I need to read? What do I feel like I need to nurture myself with? Because at the end of the day, making albums for me is like excuses to do what I actually want and be doing. And in this case, I wanted to just read more. It's been a long time that I wasn't reading as much as I would like to.